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VANCOUVER, British Columbia - Just over the United States northwest border, addicts will soon be able to get their fix from the Canadian government in the form of free heroin (search) administered by nurses and doctors on the taxpayer's dime.

Socialist medicine at work :sb

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miketafc said:
VANCOUVER, British Columbia - Just over the United States northwest border, addicts will soon be able to get their fix from the Canadian government in the form of free heroin (search) administered by nurses and doctors on the taxpayer's dime.

Socialist medicine at work :sb

I can't even comment on this one, maybe someone else might
Totally screwed up morally, I agree, but the idea is that it may end up saving money in the long run: reduced crime and healthcare costs.

paging AAlmeter: please pick up the white courtesy phone :D

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Totally screwed up morally, I agree, but the idea is that it may end up saving money in the long run: reduced crime and healthcare costs.

paging AAlmeter: please pick up the white courtesy phone :D

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So if we go out and start beating up people smoking expensive cigars the government will agree to provide use with all the Padrons, and Opex cigars we need. This will stop the beatings and will reduce crime. Save on healthcare for the people we beat up too. :) My eyes have been opened

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So if we go out and start beating up people smoking expensive cigars the government will agree to provide use with all the Padrons, and Opex cigars we need. This will stop the beatings and will reduce crime. Save on healthcare for the people we beat up too. :) My eyes have been opened

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Now, now - I didn't say i agreed with it.
 

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Personally, I'd much rather heroin addicts smash my grandmother's head with a tire iron and steal her purse to get money for their juice. Seems more of a free market approach.
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Come on, I'm not trolling.

A Swiss study years ago showed that if addicts got their heroin free, they were much less involved in crime and more held onto steady jobs.

This is a scientific study to assess the effects of giving heroin free to addicts: to determine if they are less involved in crime and have better social outcomes.

My problem with addicts is not that they take drugs, I'm a Libertarian in that regard, its that they beat up and rob people to get money for a fix. Give them their damned drugs so they don't pick on old people for robbery.

Isn't that what we want? Low crime? Or is there a problem with the Socialist aspect of them getting free smack instead of getting money by theft and robbery, the old fashioned way.
 

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TOP 10 REASONS TO LIVE IN BRITISH COLUMBIA
1. Weed
2. Vancouver: 1.5 million people and two bridges
3. The local hero is a pot-smoking snowboarder
4. The local wine doesn't taste like malt vinegar
5. Your $400,000 Vancouver home is 5 hours from downtown
6. A university with a nude beach
7. You can throw a rock and hit three Starbucks locations
8. If a cop pulls you over, just offer them some of your hash
9. There's always some sort of deforestation protest going on
10. Cannabis

I agree that the Heroin problem in Vancouver, like the one in Portland OR is out of control. This issue is such a hot button!! On one hand I agree that the addicts need to be rounded up and either detoxed permanently or put away. On the other hand I see where giving them the drugs and some shelter will also curb (not solve) the problem of crime related to the addiction.

That being said, if it were my hometown, I be really disturbed that addicts and criminals were being courted with drugs and a place to stay making their home anywhere near my family or my neighborhood. Try imagining a bunch of junkies living nextdoor to you, if you don't like it why would you feel that this situation would be acceptable for anyone else?

I'd have to agree with Mike on this one, just because the government can't stop someone from commiting a crime doesn't mean you need to make it legal.
 

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Who cares? We're selling Canada to Greenland in a couple of months anyway. They need more parking.


But seriously, this is a crappy plan that will only help mildly at best. They are, generally speaking, worthless human beings. They will still need food, clothing, shelter etc and unless the government provides for their every need, they will still need money. They will still steal to get what they want. It may be reduced, but it is not a solution to the problem. Legalize the drugs, speed up the rate at which theyre killing themselves, and allow granny to carry heat. Then we will have fewer drug addicts and less crime.
 

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SeanGAR said:
Come on, I'm not trolling.

A Swiss study years ago showed that if addicts got their heroin free, they were much less involved in crime and more held onto steady jobs.

This is a scientific study to assess the effects of giving heroin free to addicts: to determine if they are less involved in crime and have better social outcomes.

My problem with addicts is not that they take drugs, I'm a Libertarian in that regard, its that they beat up and rob people to get money for a fix. Give them their damned drugs so they don't pick on old people for robbery.

Isn't that what we want? Low crime? Or is there a problem with the Socialist aspect of them getting free smack instead of getting money by theft and robbery, the old fashioned way.
not a comment on your intentions, just a recognition that this topic has a high probability of becoming rapidly un-civil
 

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AAlmeter said:
Who cares? We're selling Canada to Greenland in a couple of months anyway. They need more parking.
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But seriously, this is a crappy plan that will only help mildly at best. They are, generally speaking, worthless human beings. They will still need food, clothing, shelter etc and unless the government provides for their every need, they will still need money. They will still steal to get what they want. It may be reduced, but it is not a solution to the problem. Legalize the drugs, speed up the rate at which theyre killing themselves, and allow granny to carry heat. Then we will have fewer drug addicts and less crime.
Kill 'em all and sterilize the rest!

Someone's been eating his Nietzche wheaties again...
 

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That being said, if it were my hometown, I be really disturbed that addicts and criminals were being courted with drugs and a place to stay making their home anywhere near my family or my neighborhood. Try imagining a bunch of junkies living nextdoor to you, if you don't like it why would you feel that this situation would be acceptable for anyone else?
I agree with you. But we have methadone clinics in the US, here and now. There is a big controversy in Roanoke about the proposed location for a new one. But whats the difference between giving methadone and giving heroin?

I would also like to see the addict scum rounded up and jailed somewhere where they break rocks 16 hours a day or do some other useless menial labor. Sorry, thats just how I feel about the dregs of society. Maybe we can train them to be Gateway Customer service reps? Actually, for that job, they need no training.
 

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SeanGAR said:
Personally, I'd much rather heroin addicts smash my grandmother's head with a tire iron and steal her purse to get money for their juice. Seems more of a free market approach.
If people resort to violence in order to obtain money for an illegal and cost prohibitive commodity; we need to legalize it aye?

Following that logic I think we should all gather in California and start robbing and killing people. We need to be certain that the press is informed we are doing it to feed our Cuban cigar addictions. I am sure we will have a clinic in a few weeks!

Look at how many heroin addicts there are in Singapore. :confused: While I don't agree with their application of the death penalty they know how to treat criminals. Can you say Michael Faye?

BTW Sean, et. al; I debate vigorously however I have a lot of respect for you. Please take my tone as a good natured rebuttal in an enjoyable debate.

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If people resort to violence in order to obtain money for an illegal and cost prohibitive commodity they want we need to legalize it aye?
Following that logic I think we should all gather in California and start robbing and killing people. We need to be certain that the press is informed we are doing it to feed our Cuban cigar addictions. I am sure we will have a clinic in a few weeks!

-Matt-
Hahaha. "Gimme a box of RASS and nobody gets hurt..... :gn "

I will say that I doubt that this experiment will work and that I also have a problem with tax dollars being spent for free smack. It just doesn't seem to be a good use of tax money -they are spending >8 million CDN on the study (49.95 US). OTOH, they seem to be at the end of their rope for a solution to the problem out there and I don't know if I blame them for going to that extreme.
 

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txmatt said:
Following that logic I think we should all gather in California and start robbing and killing people. We need to be certain that the press is informed we are doing it to feed our Cuban cigar addictions. I am sure we will have a clinic in a few weeks!
-Matt-
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Don't start dragging California into this or you'll be dealing with me!!! :bx

You guys failed to read the fine print......
The heroin may be free but they are charging 200 bucks each for the needles!
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Failed government involvement cannot be fixed by more government involvement. The main problem is how much should the govt be involved. Most people want the govt to create a utopian society for them, but at the same time dont want their rights trampled on. By legalizing drugs, no 'rights' are trampled, but with a bunch of junkies sitting in the gutters, you lose the image of a picture perfect world.

More importantly, I had to post this picture of our main page.
 

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